Can Ohio State’s latest 5-star add to its quarterback legacy at Elite 11? Buckeye Talk podcast (2024)

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State has quite a history with the prestigious Elite 11 quarterback competition and will try to add to that this week.

There have been 11 players who’ve gone on to be Buckeyes who had the opportunity to succeed in the competition by earning the honor. Five-star 2025 commit Tavien St. Clair will look to join them. On this episode of Buckeye Talk, Stephen Means and Andrew Gillis look back on OSU’s Elite 11 success, what St. Clair can accomplish and his chances of wining MVP

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Stephen Means (00:06.128)

Welcome back to Buckeye Talk. I’m Stephen Means. That’s Andrew Gillis and we’re previewing the prestigious quarterback competition that’s known as the Elite 11. Ohio State once again expecting to be represented by its 2025 quarterback, Tavian St. Clair, the number 14 player and the number three quarterback.

in the country, Tavon Sinclair with an opportunity to maybe show off himself a little bit and prove he’s the best quarterback in the country. A lot of big time names there as well. Another name that’s probably important to Ohio State, Ryan Montgomery, the Georgia commit, top 200 commit, top 200 recruit, excuse me, who’s also the little brother of Luke Montgomery, current Ohio State second year offensive lineman. Andrew, you’re new to college football in terms of covering it at this level. Obviously you covered OU, but that’s not, that’s not a real thing. We’re not.

Andrew (00:49.678)

I don’t - they didn’t have anybody go to Elite Eleven, I’ll promise you that. Neither did Tenth State, don’t worry.

Stephen Means (00:52.304)

Shocker!

Stephen Means (00:57.68)

I don’t think that’s true. That might not be true. I don’t know. I don’t know who cares. That’s not what we’re here to talk about. The thing I do want to talk with you about Andrew though is just from the outside looking in this is going to be your first time you’re not going we’re not going to 11 that’s it’s a lot of money and we’re just not gonna go but we are gonna cover it from home.

Andrew (01:01.39)

Whatever.

Stephen Means (01:14.896)

When you think of a lead 11 and just like what’s been your your relationship with paint, do you pay attention to it? Does it tell us anything about quarterbacks and what they can be projected as as college football players, potentially the NFL, just your relationship with that that competition which has been around since I think 1999.

Andrew (01:32.014)

Yeah, you know, I’ve always kind of seen, I’ve always kind of liked to see how these quarterbacks kind of match up against one another in specific situations because, you know, I mean, just look at the top of the list, right? Carrollton, Georgia, Bellefonte, Ohio, Brentwood, Tennessee, Royers for Pennsylvania, Duncanville, Texas, Corona, California, Loosdale, Mississippi, San Diego, California, right? Like there, there’s so many different places of these top a hundred quarterbacks that, you know, end up at these situations. So.

They’re all different types of quarterbacks. They’re all different types of throwers. They’re all different types of passers. They’re all different athletes. They’re, they’re just different people. And, and I like seeing how the quarterbacks from across the country map up against match up against one another. And, and, you know, cause some quarterbacks win certain competitions, some don’t, and some win certain competitions just cause that’s their play style. And I, and I like having that compare contrast.

kind of maybe laid out a little bit more basically in front of you because there are so many variables that go into a football season as we are aware. I mean, I’m not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of Matt Zollers, the commit from Missouri and his offense in Royersford. I’m not going to know. I’m not going to pretend to know.

what kind of offense they run. But some of these guys come from run heavy offenses and some of them come from more air raid type offenses. Some of them come from pro style. You know, some of them are asked to scramble. Some of them are asked to do different things. And I think what this does is it puts you a little bit on the same playing field and says, who are you as a passer and what are you as a thrower and how can we map this out? So yeah, I’ve always taken an interest in it, you know, just, you know, casually before this year, because I’ve always been interested and I’ve always liked to see kind of how these quarterbacks shine up against one another.

Stephen Means (03:24.944)

So here’s the official list of a lead 11 invitees for 2025 recruiting clause doing this in the summer of 2024 five star quarterback Julian Lewis, who is currently a USC committee. He’s a number nine player, number two quarterback in the country. Taven St. Clair five star quarterback, number 14 player, number three quarterback in the country. Obviously committed to Ohio state, George McIntyre, the five star Tennessee quarterback commit from Tennessee, the number 21 player and number four quarterback in the country. Matt Zollers, as you just mentioned,

Number 33 player, number five quarterback in the country. He’s committed to Missouri. You’ve got Hassan Longstreet from Centennial, California. Centennial High School in California. Number 40 player, number seven quarterback in the country. Committed to Texas A Deuce Knight, number 51 player, number eight quarterback from Mississippi, but he’s committed to Notre Dame. You’ve got Keelan Russell.

The number 38 player and the number six quarterback in the country from Duncanville, Texas, Duncanville High School, the same high school as top wide receiver in the country, De ‘Corian Moore. He is committed to Alabama. Akeli Smith Jr.

The number 80 player, the number nine quarterback in the country from California. He’s committed to Oregon. KJ Lacey, number 86 player, number 11 quarterback in the country. He’s committed to Texas. Ty Hawkins. The number 154 player, number 12 quarterback. He’s committed to TCU. Ryan Montgomery, the number 156 player, the number 13 quarterback from Ohio, friendly Ohio, as I mentioned before, the little brother of Luke Montgomery. He’s committed to Georgia. Camario Taylor.

The number 198 player, the number 17 quarterback. He’s committed to Mississippi State. Kevin Sperry, the number 174 player, number 15 quarterback out of Texas. He’s committed to Oklahoma. Malik Washington, who is the number 276 player, number 23 quarterback. He is the first uncommitted player, non -committed player on this list. You’ve got Bryce Baker, the number 239 player, number 20 quarterback.

Stephen Means (05:30.608)

He’s headed to North Carolina. He’s committed. He’s from North Carolina. He’s committed to North Carolina. And you got T .J. Latif, the number 225 player, number 18 quarterback. He’s committed to Nebraska. Luke Nickle. He’s committed to Miami. He’s a 293 player, number 25 quarterback. And Tramell Jones, the number 287 player and the number 24 quarterback committed to Florida State. The last two guys on that list, Alex Manski, the number 665 player, number 36 quarterback committed to Iowa State. And then you got

We got Jaron Kiwi, Sega Poletti. I hope I’m saying that right. He is the number 691 player, number 39 quarterback, and the only other non -committed player on this list. I did not mention Bryce Underwood, the LSU commit, the top player and the top quarterback in the country. Andrew, does, we’ve seen, this has actually happened before, and one of the people it’s happened with is going to lead us into an Ohio State guy.

DJ Uwe Yungaleye was selected back in 2019 as part of the 2020 Classic. Pete in Elite 11, he decided he was not going to do it. He backed out and wanted to focus more on his high school season. You’ve seen some Ohio State guys do it. Terrell Pryor, back when he went through this process, he did not do Elite 11. Braxton Miller, he did not do Elite 11. Those two other five -star quarterbacks who were highly rated and did not do the Elite 11 competition. You don’t have to do it. There’s been guys who have decided to opt out of it, but I don’t know, is there...

Is there an advantage to doing it when even when you’re rated that high? I guess the question is should Ohio State care whether or not it’s quarterbacks compete in something like this?

Andrew (07:08.046)

think they should care. But I also think with certain guys like like Bryce Underwood is the number one quarterback in the country. He’s the number one player in the country.

I’m not sure that LSU is worried that bright that price that I so that’s what I’m saying. So I think it’s two sides of the coin. I think you would like your your commit to compete. You would like your guy to compete because you want to see maybe how he compares against some other guys, some things he needs to work on. How does he do under pressure? These things are high pressure situations like there are certain things you can learn about him. Whoever this kid is, this hypothetical person.

Stephen Means (07:25.168)

Go prove it!

Andrew (07:51.118)

Whether it’s Bryce Underwood, I don’t care. You know, there’s certain things you could learn about a kid when they’re in those situations. So I think you want to see it. I also think with a kid like Bryce Underwood, are you really sweating that he’s not going to Elite 11? You know, are you really going, hey, I know he was the Gatorade Michigan player of the year as a junior. And, you know, he was the sophom*ore of the year when he was a sophom*ore and he was the freshman of the year when he was a freshman and he’s the number one player in the country. And he looks like he could enter college now.

And he’s this, that, and he’s like all that and, you know, slice, you know, the best thing since sliced bread is all that and piece of cake and every other hilarious thing you want to say about him is probably true. Like he is that good of a football player. I don’t know if you’re worried about it in those situations. So I think it’s twofold. I think number one, you want to see him compete, but I think it’s more of just like, wish we had you competing, but you know, whatever. Because if you look at it two through nine,

Julian Lewis, Tavian St. Clair, George McIntyre, Matt Zollers, Keelan Russell, Houston Longstreet, Deuce Knight, Keely Smith Jr. They’re all competing in the Elite 11 thing, right? And like Tavian said at the Elite 11, or at the regional Elite 11, which was thankfully in Upper Arlington this year, he said that one of the things that he always wanted to do was go to this Elite 11, right? He always talked about, you know,

Stephen Means (09:01.296)

Yeah.

Andrew (09:17.774)

being that guy that could show up and he mentioned, and I’m sure we’ll get into this later. He always, he talked about, you know, Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence, and he remembers those kinds of battles and, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s benefit to going for sure. The quarterback from UCLA Madden. Yeah. Yeah. I’ma leave it. He, he, he’s not, he’s also not going to be there. He’s the number 10 quarterback.

Stephen Means (09:39.6)

You believe it?

Andrew (09:45.934)

four star player number 82 overall in the country. So yeah, so you get two of the top or two of the top 10 are not going to be there. You would prefer those guys to be there, but I don’t necessarily think it’s, I think here the way to put a bow on it is you want them there, but it’s not necessarily a problem if they’re not.

Stephen Means (10:07.216)

Go prove you’re the best player in the country. That’s how I feel about it. But it’s fine. They’re not there. It’s perfectly fine. Ohio State benefited from one of those guys deciding not to do that back in 2019, which we’ll get into. Ohio State has had 11 quarterbacks be inducted into the elite 11. How this works is they get somewhere from 20 to 25 of the best quarterbacks and they bring them out somewhere. It’s been in LA. It’s been in central stations for a while now, but it’s been all over the place. I think there was a time where they had that, the Nike.

campus up in Oregon. They had it in Texas a couple of times. It’s been all kind of all over the place. It’s kind of been, you know.

shrunken down a little bit in terms of what the activities are that they do, which is kind of unfortunate, but it is what it is. But 11 quarterbacks in Ohio State history have had the pleasure of being inducted into the elite 11. Like I said, 20, 25 guys and they compete and they find the best 11. And the number one of that bunch typically wins MVP. Ohio State’s had 11 quarterbacks get in, three people be named MVP. And not all these guys were associated with Ohio State at the time that they did it, which is what makes this list so interesting, is they’re all coming from different places.

Back in 2001, you had Troy Smith and Justin Zwick both make it into the elite 11. Justin Zwick was the number 34 player and the number three pro style quarterback, a five star recruit in 2002. The first five star quarterback Ohio State had ever signed from their backyard from Ohio, which is I’m taking St. Clair from their backyard from Ohio. Troy Smith, also from Ohio. He was a number two, one twenty three player, number eight, dual direct quarterback, a four star recruit. Obviously, Justin’s wick.

a five year player at Ohio State, started a couple of games and really was more in a backup role and he was a backup to Troy Smith who also was here for five years and a full time starter for two years and is the last Heisman Trophy winner in Ohio State football history. In 2004, Rob Schoenhoff was a part of the 2005 recruiting class. He was the number 152 player, number six pro style quarterback, a forced recruit to Ohio State, gym -trestle recruit obviously, spent three years.

Stephen Means (12:05.584)

at Ohio State and then transferred to I believe Delaware. So Elite 11 guy number three. And then you have to go 11 years, Andrew, before Ohio State has somebody associated with Elite 11 again. Like I said, Terrell Pryor and Braxton Miller didn’t do it. They probably would have been inducted had they do it as five star recruits. JT Barrett did get invited to Elite 11 as a member of the 2013 recruiting class without him in the summer of 2012.

He just didn’t get inducted in. He was one of the finalists left off the final 11 list. So you have to wait until Dwayne Haskins in 2016. He’s the number 97 player, number seven pro style quarterback in that 2016 class. Obviously he spent three years in Ohio State’s program as a starter for one of those years. And then he’s a 15 pick in the NFL draft to the then Washington Redskins who were then the Washington football team who are now the Washington commanders. So they’ve had three different names since Dwayne Haskins has been drafted. That starts the run.

of Ohio State quarterbacks being a part of Elite 11. Tate Martel, the following summer as a member of the 2017 recruiting class, number 56 player, number two dual threat quarterback in the country, a four star recruit in the 2017 recruiting class. That class was ranked second in the country. He spends two years in Ohio State’s program where...

I think the idea of Tate Bartel was always more famous than his actual play. He obviously stays here for 2017 and 2018 backing up Dwayne Haskins and he hits a transfer portal, lands at Miami, then ends up transferring to UNLV and now I think he’s retired from football. Justin Fields, the first guy who wasn’t going from Elite 11 to Ohio State straight at the time. Ohio State wasn’t even a part of this picture. As a member of the 2018 recruiting class.

He’s the first on this list who won the MVP. He was the number two player and the number one dual threat and the number two overall player, number two overall quarterback in that class behind Trevor Lawrence. He used that elite 11 to prove that, hey, Trevor Lawrence, it’s not Trevor Lawrence in the field. It’s Trevor Lawrence in Justin Fields. And then the field, right? Transfer to Ohio State after spending a year at Georgia, two year starter.

Stephen Means (14:06.512)

Heisman Trophy finalist in 2019 gets them to the National Championship game in 2020 ends up being the number 11 pick to the Chicago Bears. That’s two of what is that? One, two, three, that’s like two of the six so far who were inducted into Elite 11 and turned that into a pretty quality.

Ohio State football career and being a first round draft pick. Troy Smith, obviously quality NFL college football career, excuse me, but not quite the same at the NFL level. They take a year off and the 2019 class, there’s nobody who makes it. They flip Matthew Baldwin late and he was not a part of the elite 11. I think before that they had a guy who ended up flipping the Florida. So you go into the 2020 class where you find CJ Stroud. Jack Miller was also there. He got invited, but he was injured. He was dealing with a shoulder thing at the time.

So he didn’t participate. So he didn’t get inducted into Ohio to the elite 11 that year, but CJ show does he uses that. And as I mentioned earlier with guys who didn’t show up DJ or young LA not going.

Created CJ Strauss opportunity to go like Justin Fields He wins the MVP number 42 player number two pro style quarterback number three quarterback overall behind Bryce Young and DJ Young Leye a four -star recruit in that class Spends three years in Ohio State’s program two years as a starter two years as a Heisman Trophy finalist number two pick in the NFL draft and now he might be one of those six or seven best quarterbacks in the NFL Crazy how that happens right a guy drops out of the elite 11 and now you’re one of the best quarterbacks in a six -year period so when I think about Bryce

I don’t think it’s not to chastise them. People have their lives and they make the decisions they want to make whatever. No, like you’re right. No one’s going to think Bryce Bryce Underwood is not one of the best quarterbacks in the country just because he didn’t show up for this event. That’s not going to change anything. But

Stephen Means (15:48.176)

To your point, I wanna see guys compete, but also who did that open the door to, right? Because all four of those guys were five -star recruits, which means how they pick guys, it’s a combination of what you do at these regional camps and your high school film. And it’s the same thing for how they pick the Elite 11 once you get to the competition is high school film and what you do in those competitions.

His ranking alone, those four guys would have gotten them into Elite 11. You’re not leaving five -star quarterbacks out of this competition. So because you got basically a guy who has a guaranteed spot now out of the conversation, who got to go and who turned that into a career somewhere? Like what CJ Stroud was able to do as part of that 2020 class.

Andrew (16:11.422)

Yeah, for sure.

Stephen Means (16:29.2)

Run goes right back at it. Kyle McCord as part of the 2021 class competes in the summer of 2020. It’s a condensed version of it. That’s kind of where those condensed versions started because we’re in COVID. So they kept things kind of quick that week. Kyle McCord, five star quarterback in the 2021 recruiting class, number 28 player, number six quarterback in that class. That’s the first year they stopped doing the pro style dual threat thing.

Kyle McCord ends up being a three year play out of Ohio State, a one year starter, and now he’s transferred to Syracuse where he’ll finish out his career. Quinn Ewers the following year, top player, top recruit in the 2022 recruiting class before he reclassified to 2021. He was what Trevor Lawrence was in that 2021 competition where it’s like, hey, is it Quinn Ewers and the field? And then K Clubnik, who ends up as the five star recruit at Clemson is now entering his second year, their starting quarterback, is his Justin Fields.

where he uses that competition to prove no, it’s Quinn Ewers and Cade LeCobnick and the field. Quinn Ewers spent six months at Ohio State and then transferred to Texas. And then the most recent of the two, hold on.

Stephen Means (18:09.072)

And then the most recent of the two, you have Aaron Nolan, who ended his high school career as the number 56 player, number four quarterback in the country as a four -star recruit. But he, at the time, was trending on five -star status, and he used that Elite 11 competition to turn himself into a five -star. Unfortunately, he held that through signing day, but when they updated the rankings for good in like February, he dropped back down to a four -star. And then Julian Sand. He’s the second guy on this list who...

wasn’t associated with Ohio State at the time he was going through this. He was again committed to an SEC school, committed to Alabama at the time, the number six player, number one quarterback in the country. He used it to solidify himself as the best quarterback in the country. And then obviously Nick Saban retires, which sends Julian Sand into the transfer portal and he ends up at Ohio State. So that’s the 11 guys.

First question, Andrew, do you think Taven St. Clair, five star quarterback who’s to be trending in the right direction, is he a lock for you to be the 12th guy who’s been associated with Ohio State since 1999 to be inducted into the Elite 11?

Andrew (19:14.286)

A lock?

Stephen Means (19:15.696)

Yeah.

Andrew (19:18.318)

I don’t want to say lock. I feel like a lock. I feel like that’s I mean, there’s a lot of really good quarterbacks are going to be there, right? Like it’s I feel like a lock is maybe a little bit too hard. I would maybe expect it, but I’m not going to say a lock. I mean, he’s look.

Stephen Means (19:33.84)

You also said he was going to be the starting quarterback in 2026, no matter what Julian Sand does. So pick your side of the fence. No, that’s the issue I’m going to go with. That’s what I’m going to go with.

Andrew (19:39.854)

I feel like that’s some revisionist history. I don’t, I never said that. I never said that Mr. Steven means, I, I’m not going to say lock, but I would expect it just because I mean, the talent that you see from him, the arm talent, the size, like everything just kind of screams elite high school, elite college level quarterback about this guy. you know, and, and I understand that.

You know, Stephen’s kind of brought up the thing of, you know, hey, this is going to be a learning curve for him kind of coming from the high school level to the college level. But I mean, I’m not going to say lock, but I’m going to say I’m feeling pretty good about it.

Stephen Means (20:23.056)

I think he’s a lock. I can’t remember the last time a five star recruit showed up there and didn’t wasn’t a lot for the 11 spots. Now we can obviously have a conversation about the MVP part of this because that’s based on some other things, but just simply is he going to be inducted? I think that’s.

probably a no brainer there. Andrew, we’ve talked, I mean, we’ve talked at length about what Brian Day’s goal was when he showed up here at Ohio State and that was to turn Ohio State in the quarterback view. Not everybody on this list played for Ryan Day, right? In fact, I mean, half of them did. Justin Fields, CJ Stroud, Kyle McCord, Quinn Hewitt, Aaron Nolan, Julian, that’s like half the list did, but.

when you see a list like that, when you list off all those guys, especially the Ryan Day portion of this, where it feels like there’s almost a, before Ryan Day, you had three names on the list. After Ryan Day, you have eight and potentially now going on your ninth. Is this part of the conversation when you’re talking about who is QBU, which is a, I think a complex conversation to begin with, because it has extra layers that maybe other positions don’t have. There’s no real way to.

Andrew (21:22.318)

Mm -hmm.

Stephen Means (21:25.872)

decide whether or not a quarterback’s gonna be good or not. No one’s really had a long -term run like this where it’s just over time you have multiple eras of four or five elite quarterbacks. It’s just a difficult thing to do. But is this part of the conversation when you’re trying to decide at QBU is like, hey, are your quarterbacks consistently considered some of the best high school quarterbacks in the country?

Andrew (21:46.702)

think so. I think it has to be right. Like I think the level of recruiting that you have to do is a big deal, right? Isn’t that like the whole point of this? That the recruiting is the way like, you know, because you can have great, you know, you can have great high school players and yeah, that’s fine. It’s a lot easier to find a great high school player and make him a great college player than it is to find

high school player that’s maybe under the radar who still needs to find his game or something like that, and then turn him into a great college player, right? Like, you’re not there’s, I mean, I don’t know how many Justin Fields and CJ Strouds and Trevor Lawrence is you’re turning over when you start flipping over rocks that no one else saw, right? Like, I mean, I just don’t think that that’s possible. So I think you got to look at the high school recruiting part of this because it’s a big deal. But then you’ve also got to look at the college part of this too, and the development track because...

You know, you can have an elite quarterback and an elite quarterback can turn into, you know, a Trevor Lawrence, a Justin Fields, a CJ Stroud, a Tua, a Bryce Young, you know, guys that have great college careers. But you could also have elite quarterback prospects that turn out to be DJ Uangalala or Kyle McCord or, you know, who, like I’m trying to think of other.

you know, kind of top quarterback prospects that haven’t, you know, really hit their mark. I, I’m sure there, you know, there’s more that I would have to kind of think about, but like you, you get what I’m saying. Like there, there are top quarterback prospects that you need to bring in, but you also need to develop them. So I think it has to be part of the conversation for sure, because it’s recruiting for one, you know, I guarantee you when we’re talking about this draft, like we’re talking, these are the classes of 2025 kids. So this is 25, 26, 27.

I guarantee you starting with the NFL draft in 2028 and going into 2029, if you’re looking at, you know, the first and second round quarterbacks, Julian Lewis is probably up there or, you know, you’re probably getting a lot of these Julian Lewis, Tavian St. Clair, George McIntyre, Matt Zollers, Keelan Russell, Houston Longstreet, Deuce Knight, Keely Smith Jr., KJ Lacey. Like the guys that are up there, you’re getting a lot of the, like, I guarantee you, there’s going to be a lot of talk about them. Now could, you know,

Andrew (24:09.39)

Alex Manske, who’s the number 665 quarterback at a good score to Iowa State be in that group? Absolutely. I would just place my bet that it’s like if you had to place a bet right now on Tavian St. Clair, Alex Manske, who you taking? We know the answer to that question. So it’s high school recruiting, but it’s also development. So I think it has to be part.

Stephen Means (24:28.688)

So that’s some background on what’s happening. Those dates for Elite 11 starting this week, we’ll be texting off of that as things are happening. Everybody does it at this point. The official Elite 11, they do a ranking every single day of how guys are going. And so it’s going to be interesting to see where Tavion St. Clair falls every single day. When they do the pro day, we’ll be texting off that. When everything is happening, we’ll be texting off of that as the...

the Elite 11 happens, 614 -350 -3315. We’re gonna take a quick break here and then we’re gonna talk about Tabian Sinclair and what our expectations are for him and what he can do this week as he enters into the Elite 11 competition here on Buckeye Talk.

Stephen Means (25:12.56)

And we’re back on Buckeye Talk, the Elite 11 taking place this week starting on Tuesday, July.

Stephen Means (25:22.96)

And we’re back here on Buckeye Talk. We’re talking Tavian St. Clair as he participates in the Elite 11 starting on Tuesday. So listen, tomorrow it starts. It runs Tuesday through Thursday out in Los Angeles, California. 24 of the best quarterbacks in high school football right now in the 2025 recruiting class competing for 11 spots to be the latest inductees until the Elite 11. Andrew, I want to put you in the mind of Tavian St. Clair. The goal is to win it, right? Is to be MVP. We know that.

What do you want to prove this week if you’re Tavion St. Clair and you’re in a situation where it’s 20 to 24 of the best quarterbacks in high school football right now? What do you want to prove as you enter your senior year and what is probably the most prestigious competition for high school quarterbacks?

Andrew (26:08.782)

I mean, it’s basic, but it’s that you’re the best quarterback in the country. Like that should be the goal of this guy, right? Like this isn’t, you know, a stretch to say that the number 14 overall player and the number three quarterback in the class, at least in terms of the composite rankings, can make a jump, right? You know, we’re not talking about a guy who’s unknown here, you know, a guy who nobody really knows about or who isn’t committed anywhere. You know, the kid from Hawaii who’s uncommitted right now, you know, this isn’t that conversation.

You know, where you’re, you’re looking at, you know, Oregon state employees, like this would be a fairly normal leap, right? If, if Tavian can do that. So I think that that should be his goal. I think that that’s a pretty basic goal, right? Like you should walk in there and go, I am the most developed quarterback of this group of guys. And when I show up on campus, I am going to be the one that can.

prove that they can start the earliest. Now, of course, there are other mitigating circ*mstances to this. Other teams have really good quarterbacks too. And, you know, a quarterback that’s quote unquote worse than Tavian St. Clair might start before him because his situation is a little bit more clear. But if I’m Tavian, I’m saying I want to be the guy that walks out there. Everybody says he’s the best one here. He’s the guy that is the best one here. He’s got.

the best throwing motion or he’s the most accurate or he’s got the most whatever, all of the different categories that you want to lay out. I think that Tavian, that should be his goal. And that should be the number one thing that he’s trying to lay out. So, you know, I’m, I’m at, he should walk in there and say, I want to leave Los Angeles, California, and I want everybody to know that Tavian Sinclair is the best quarterback in the country. That should be the.

Stephen Means (27:57.552)

Can you do that in a world where the number one, the guy people think is the number one quarterback isn’t there?

Andrew (28:02.51)

I think so. I think you can because if you walk out there and you’re better than everybody else, you know, can you can you leave it up to discussion of whether Bryce Underwood is better in Tavon St. Clair? Absolutely. You know, like I think reasonable minds would be able to disagree. And it’s hard to say if they played they play in two different states. They play two different like in terms of like I believe in terms of like classifications, they play two different classifications of high school football. They’re not going to be on the same field. It’s going to be very hard to compare them.

I think Steven, I think you said like offline one time, like I wish Bryce Underwood was going to Michigan because then we’d have a real rivalry on our hands. But, I look at Tavian and I say, you know what, like there, there’s no reason that you can’t prove it. You know, there’s no reason that you can’t go out there and prove that you were the best at elite 11. And of all the guys that are at elite 11, you know, you were better than all of them. And that would mean that there are a lot of people’s eyes with the number one quarterback. So.

I think you can, I think that there’s a reasonable discussion to be had afterwards. I mean, obviously we need to see how it plays out and what kind of happens, but yeah, for me, I think it’s absolutely possible.

Stephen Means (29:18.224)

So let’s just, let’s say he wins MVP and he joins Justin Fields, CJ Stroud and Julian Sand as future Ohio State quarterbacks who joined MVP. That list alone, first and foremost, the last three people who have won MVP who then went on to be Ohio State football players at some point in their career. The first one ends up being a first round draft, Heisman Trophy finalist gets them to the national championship game. The second one.

two time Heisman Trophy finalist never gets a national championship game, but now he’s one of the best quarterbacks in the world. Julian Sand, the third one, very early, so he’s done none of those things. It’s just, I mean, time, right? You can’t do any of those things unless the time is passed for you to do those things. But he’s on a trajectory that’s faster than most freshmen have been at at Ohio State in a long time for quarterbacks. He’s lost his black, he’s the first quarterback, freshman quarterback to lose their black stripe in the spring.

which is a big deal. We’re talking about him like, hey, can he win the job this year? Even if it’s a long shot. So like the standard is high there, right? Amongst the people who have just one MVP in that situation. Do we look at Tavian in that conversation simply by winning MVP, which would already put him in the same umbrella as though it’s like, Hey, the last three guys to do what you’re trying to do either.

At the end of their career, we looked at them as some of the best quarterbacks in Ohio State history, or at least looks like they’re on the track record to potentially be that. Is that putting Travian, excuse me, on that track record? If he goes in there, I guess a pretty quality lineup. There’s some quality five -star quarterbacks in this recruiting cycle. Does it put him on that trajectory in your mind if he goes in there and shows that off and then takes home MVP?

Andrew (30:57.774)

Yes. Yes, it would. Because every other metric will have backed up the type of prospect that he is. And you compare him to these other guys, right? Because it’d be one thing if Tavian was like, I think I’ll rephrase your question in a little bit, like in my answer. I think it’d be a different conversation if Tavian was the number 179 quarterback in the country. And we were mapping this out and he was a little bit less

Harold did and you know, he was a little bit under the radar because then I think it’s okay. Hmm. Interesting. Look at this kid. Look at it. All right. Did Ohio State we’d be at that Ohio State find a gem? Should he be rising up the rankings? Should he? That’s not where we’re at with this, right? You know, so I personally,

Stephen Means (31:27.92)

Mm -hmm.

Stephen Means (31:33.968)

Yeah.

Andrew (31:55.47)

I think you have to put them in that list because of, like I said, because you’re talking about the players that did it, but guess what? They’re also really good. Like here, go look at the 2020 quarterback rankings or the 2019 quarterback rankings on 247, right? And try to figure out who went where, right? Bryce Young was the number one overall player in the country.

DJ Uangalala, he was number 10. He was a five star. We all kind of talk about him. He was a miss. CJ Shroud was number three. These are the type of guys that he would be in that category with, right? Like there are guys that are down this list that you’re talking about. Like Anthony Richardson was number 15. Obviously he had a great college career and he kind of rose up the rankings in that class of 2020 and now he’s going into his.

You know, now he’s going into his second year in the NFL and really kind of his first year in the NFL. But like the 2019 rankings, you have Spencer Rattler. He was a five star quarterback. Kind of a miss, but he was still an NFL draft pick. Bo Nix was the second quarterback. He was a first round draft pick. Jaden Daniels. I know he went to Arizona State, but he just won the Heisman Trophy at LSU and was the number two overall draft pick. Sam Howell was in that class, number six overall, top 100 pick.

Talia was in that class. Hilarious that Talia was in that class. We’re talking about guys that were like in the NFL, like Sam Howell. So there were guys that are like, if you just map it out, like the top of the classes, typically, typically notice I didn’t say always typically bear that out. Do you have guys like, you know, Graham Mertz that don’t make, you know, that don’t, you know, make out or, you know, you have guys like, you know, like.

Garrett Schrader, Rochon Johnson was a quarterback in that 2019 class. Those are players that typically have elite level, no pun intended, elite level college careers. That’s kind of the level that Tavian would be on. So not only do you have the recruiting pedigree and the pedigree of everybody’s eyes are on you saying this guy’s really good, but now you’re in that same ballpark as these other great quarterbacks and you’ve just proved that you’re better than all of them.

Andrew (34:16.814)

You would need to have something go terribly, terribly wrong for him, I think, to be that level of prospect, to be the MVP of Elite 11, and then get to Ohio State, a place that is known for developing quarterbacks, and then not have that type of career. To me, I think we’d need to be talking about this in a little bit of a different light if Tavian does.

Stephen Means (34:42.992)

I think you made an important point when you were talking about, we’re not talking about a guy who’s going in there as like the 170 player in the country, right? CJ Stroud wasn’t a top 50 recruit when he went into that elite level. He was a little bit of an unknown and he used it to make himself known. Justin Fields had become known at that point. He was a consensus number two player in the country. But as I mentioned before, it was like, it was Trevor Lawrence in the field, right? And Justin went in there proving that wasn’t the case.

Tavian situation is very much like Julian Sands was a year ago, except Julian Sands wasn’t committed to Ohio State at that time. He was committed to Alabama at that time, where there was a bunch of names, right? It was him, it was DJ Laguay, who’s now at Florida. It was Aaron Nolan, Dylan Raola, and that kind of, there was a bunch of highly rated guys in a conversation and it was like, hey, let’s figure out which one is the best of the bunch.

and Julian proved himself to be the best of the bunch, ended up being the number one quarterback in the country, and now he’s on this trajectory. That’s the type of situation we’re talking about with Tavian St. Clair going into this this week, where it’s like Julian Lewis, George McIntyre, unfortunately the other five -star quarterback, excuse me, Bryce Underwood’s not gonna be there, but Keelan Russell, Hassan Longstreet, it’s just.

It doesn’t seem like there’s a clear cut, even if right now Bryce Underwood is considered the number one player in the country. There was a point when Julian Lewis was considered the number one player in the country, right? And Taven St. Clair seems to be on a rocket ship to where I don’t think any of us would be completely shocked if we get to October and he has that ranking as the number one player in the country. So it’s more of a comp. There’s no clear cut. There’s no Trevor Lawrence or Quinn Ewers walking into this camp where it’s like, OK, is anybody better than this guy? Everybody can you just hey,

Dude at the top of the pyramid, can you just prove you’re the guy at the top of the pyramid while everybody else just kind of falls in line behind you? That’s not what this is. This is more of an open competition, which I think is even more unfortunate that Bryce isn’t gonna be there. But listen, live your life, kid. Live your life. You’re a high school kid, live your life. You’re gonna turn into a adult real soon here. But if Tavian goes in there and it’s like, whoa, he gets through three days of this, and it’s like, whoa, this is the best player in the country.

Stephen Means (36:58.96)

Then the conversation we were having last week, Andrew, about Taivian and what can he be as a college football player in terms of when could he realistically compete for the starting job. I still don’t agree that it would be in 26 just because of what the room is like, but it does create a situation for Ohio State where maybe this two year period of not having.

a guy who’s in realistic contention to be the best quarterback in the country is the blip. You know, and you get right back to that where you had Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields, CJ Stroud. That’s already difficult to do. I wrote that last year. The only other school who has had three straight first round draft picks like that was Alabama with Tua, Mac Jones, Bryson. That’s a hard thing to do. Not even USC with all their elite quarterbacks they had, especially in the early 2000s. They’ve never done that. So that eventually they were going to fall off of that. But.

If Tavian goes in there and he continues to spend the next six months showing some things where it’s like, you already think his ceiling is high, but it might be he’s a future number one pick in the NFL draft high. Well, then maybe we’re talking about a situation where Ohio State gets right back to this where Julian Sand to Tavian St. Clair, they’ve got back to back Heisman Trophy finalist, first round draft picks. Once again, in like the quarterback situation just got weird for two years.

Andrew (38:21.422)

Yeah, you know, and it’s crazy because like the elite 11, the elite 11 MVP doesn’t really guarantee anything. I think it does kind of show, you know, maybe kind of where you’re at. But, you know, like go listen to some of these names like 2014, Blake Barnett. He was a quarterback that ended or that started at Alabama and then he went to Arizona State and then he went to USF. Shay Patterson, Ole Miss and Michigan.

Two attack of Aola. Okay. Yeah. All right. That hit, right? Yeah. Justin Fields. Duh. Spencer Rattler. That’s a miss. Well, it’s not a, Spencer’s an interesting conversation.

Stephen Means (38:55.376)

That’s a hit.

Hit

Stephen Means (39:07.184)

Well, I wouldn’t say it’s not, I think he’s the first one that you’ve said so far where there’s like context behind the myth because he’s a miss in terms of he came into the 2021 season as the clear cut favorite as the Heisman Trophy winner and supposed to be the number one pick in the 2022 NFL draft. And it just didn’t, he never took that next step. He, I, I use this comparison.

Andrew (39:13.518)

Yeah.

Stephen Means (39:30.224)

going into that year for what Ohio State situation could be like. I was like, Hey, remember Spencer Rattler didn’t look all that great to start the year, but it finally clicked late in the season. And now in year two, he’s going to take that step. Just CJ Stroud didn’t look all that great at the beginning of the season because he had a shoulder injury, but eventually clicked. And then he took that next step. Then next year, Spencer never took that next step. So I wouldn’t call him a miss because he was a multi -year starter in college football and he was a starter in year two. And there was a least.

Andrew (39:49.87)

Yeah.

Andrew (39:57.102)

And he was a draft pick.

Stephen Means (39:59.568)

He’s a draft pick, but like, you know, we’re talking about first rounders here. But it’s the fact that he wasn’t he didn’t contend. He was like Kyle McCord, really, where it’s like the guys who had come before him were Heisman Trophy level quarterbacks and Spencer Rattler was not quite that. That’s where Kyle McCord sits. And what happened in that situation? Lincoln Riley got right back to Heisman Trophy first round quarterbacks the very next time with Kayla Williams. Now we’ll see with Miller Mawson going forward. But to your point, I just said, Mr. Rattler, not a miss.

But he’s not a hit either. Okay, but continue. You’re making a point.

Andrew (40:30.958)

Yeah, Stroud in 19. All right. Yeah, duh. Caleb Williams, duh. And now we’re starting to get into the like, maybe we need some time. Cade Clubnik, like.

Stephen Means (40:33.904)

to hit.

Stephen Means (40:43.984)

Kate Kluppnick unfortunately plays for Clemson, so I don’t know.

Andrew (40:46.934)

Yeah, like Jackson Arnold, then we’re just gonna wait and see, because we don’t know on.

Stephen Means (40:52.304)

Yeah, like that Jackson Arnold. Well, I don’t right now. Elite. I’ll say this. K. Club, Nick and Jackson Arnold are at least projecting out as hits. K. Club, Nick was a starter in year two and he’s coming into his second year as a starter while Jackson Arnold. Well, the reason why Dylan Gabriel is not at Oklahoma anymore is because they got this kid. It’s going to be the starting quarterback. So at least anything past, obviously anybody in the class of 2022 and on you’re doing more projecting than anything else right now, which is what we’re doing. So yeah.

Andrew (41:10.318)

Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Andrew (41:18.734)

Yeah, exactly. So, so it yeah. So it’s not. Yeah, like I just I list those names out there to bring up the fact that like when you have this conversation, I think it’s fair to put guys into a box like that and say like, you know, this is the path that they’re on. This is a trajectory that they’re on. But I do think it’s important to bring up that not all of these guys are going to hit like of the guys that are getting invited to Elite Eleven. You know, the guys that are all going to be there.

is, I mean, not all these dudes are going pro. Not all these dudes are going to be first round picks. So like, it doesn’t really guarantee you anything, but I do think what it does is it guarantees you or it guarantees you. It shows what kind of player you are at this moment in time and kind of where your development track is headed.

Stephen Means (42:05.2)

You’re looking for special traits. You’re looking for flashes of it. And I think, obviously, Tabin has started to do that over the past two years as he’s ascended from being a tall, skinny guy who wasn’t really on Ohio State’s radar that much to now potentially the best player in the country as this continues on over the next six months. Let’s do this then. Let’s predict. Let’s right now, let’s mark it down. So our first Mark it Down Monday.

Do you think Taven Sinclair is one going to be inducted into the Elite 11? And do you predict that he will win MVP?

Andrew (42:39.502)

Hmm. I think he’s going to be inducted into the elite 11. Like I know I said, I’m going to stop at a lock, but yes, I think he’s going to be inducted into the elite 11. I think that that’s, I think that that’s pretty clear. feel really good about that.

I think he’s gonna win MVP.

Man, I don’t, I think you have to say no based on the odds, right? Like, Julian Lewis is also really good. Like, we got to remember that Julian Lewis is also really good. And like, George McIntyre is, you know, a top 25 quarterback and Matt Zoller is a top 40 quarterback and Keelan Russell is a top 40 quarterback and Houston Longstreet is a top 40 quarterback and Deuce Knight is just outside of the top 50. So,

There’s a lot of really good players there and you almost want to say no based on the odds. And like, I don’t want to sound like a Homer to especially as you’re, you’re making this pick. Like, you know, we haven’t seen some of these guys throw. Like we’ve seen Tavian throw. I’ve seen Tavian throw and I have been very impressed by Tavian St. Clair physically as a passer, as a kid, kind of who he is, like is, is just a person when he, when you talk to him, there’s, there’s a lot of things to like about Tavian, but I haven’t studied.

Achille Smith Jr. at Oregon or Deuce Knight at Notre Dame or Keelan Russell at Alabama. I would study those guys like I’ve like I’ve written like I’ve researched Tavian. So I’m going to say no just because the odds of that are like he’s got maybe one of the better chances. Like I mean, if this were like a Kentucky Derby and you were placing, you know, betting odds on each individual quarterback, he’s one of the favorites. You know, he’s like he’s one of the guys, you know, he’s first or second on that list.

Andrew (44:23.662)

But there’s other really good quarterbacks there and I just don’t feel comfortable saying he’s guaranteed the best one when there are so many great quarterbacks are going to be out in LA.

Stephen Means (44:32.752)

You are the scariest predictor ever you Edge every bit nervous nervousness doesn’t make diamonds man. You gotta jump off the cliff sometimes I am going to say

Andrew (44:35.982)

I get nervous.

Andrew (44:42.254)

Pressure makes diamonds.

Stephen Means (44:48.656)

We’ll see ya.

I don’t know. Taven hasn’t really had his moment yet. I think of arrival. I think it’s just been the steady climb, right? I think last year, last summer, he showed up for a camp and it was like, he didn’t look like that six months ago. And it’s just been this steady climb up the charts in a way that is almost like.

I won’t say it’s boring. It’s just. So let’s just go through it right. 20, 23, April 21st, 2023. So a little more than a year ago, Taven St. Clair makes his debut in the rankings and he’s three 17th. And then he drops down to three 34, three 33, three 32, three 33, three 32. So he’s just kind of hanging around the mid 300s. And then he makes his first big jump last summer.

Last summer, I think it wasn’t that far off from when he committed to Ohio State, in fact. He committed to Ohio State on June 21st of 2023. So right after the, on that same day of those rankings, he’s 333 the day he commits to Ohio State. Two days later, they update it, he’s 332. Then he makes his first big jump, like five days later, he goes from 332 to 242.

Then now the steady climb starts happening. 242 to 234, 144, 130. Jumps into the top 30 about mid October. So that’s after some high school football has been played. He’s 29th, he’s 28th, he’s 28th. Then he drops, makes his first big drop, which I think is full film of high school, not just for him, but for everybody in the country, right? This is an overall rating. This isn’t just the quarterbacks or maybe other guys jump up as well. So he goes from 28 to 60. So he jumps down.

Stephen Means (46:37.104)

And then he starts climbing again, 60 to 57 to 56 to 47 drops down again, 56, 56, 60, 52, 48. Then he makes the big jump to where he is now, 19, 17, 16. And now he’ll go into this competition ranked 14th and third amongst quarterbacks. But it’s just been a steady climb. Couple fallbacks, but nothing too crazy. But not really this moment of I’ve arrived. Here I am. I’m Taven St. Clair.

And I am just wondering now that he’s gotten an opportunity to play in some seven on seven, how guys get to do that. Shout out to five star safety trade Mcnu*tt for making that happen. Now he didn’t make it. Other people made a decision, but I think he made some decisions along the way that shine the light on how crazy it is that in Ohio, these kids don’t get the same opportunities that some of these other kids around the country do. Hopefully spring football is the next thing for those guys, because that would solve up so many issues if they were able to place spring football. I think of a guy like Jake Cook.

Maybe if he had an extra 15 practices in the spring, he would have an Ohio State offer already, because he’d be further along in his development. But that’s a conversation for another day. Maybe Tavian uses, he doesn’t have the same story as Justin Fields and CJ Shroud, where they’re coming in and it’s like.

They’re not the story, right? Trevor Lawrence was a story. Bryce Young and DJ Uyengalaye dropping out and some of these other quarterbacks were the story in that conversation there. And then CJ Strauss steals the show and then Justin Fields steals the show. Julian Sand is more just like, here’s a group of five stars. We think any of them is the best player in the country. Which one shows us they actually are? And that was Julian Sand. I think Julian Sand, excuse me, Chavie and St. Clair is a mixture of both of those things.

Andrew (48:20.462)

Mm -hmm.

Stephen Means (48:20.752)

where it’s like, here’s a group of five stars. Let’s see which one is the best. But also, I’m Tavon Sinclair, hear me roar. Right? I’m who the conversation should be starting with. And so for that reason, I’m going to say, yeah, because he’s had the steady climb. It feels like it’s eventually leading to something. And maybe the first checkpoint.

And the Tavian St. Clair story of what he is today starts in California this week while he’s out there. So yeah, I’ll mark it down. Yes. You’re going to say no. I’ll say, yeah, he wins MVP. And I’m not saying he’s going to be dominant over everybody else. I just think maybe it’s a, it’s a slight edge over a Julian Lewis or over any of these other guys, but it’s enough of an edge where right now he’s the third best quarterback. I don’t know. Maybe while Ohio state’s busy trying to prepare it.

Andrew (48:48.142)

That’s a fair point.

Stephen Means (49:09.264)

through the regular season to get to Michigan and win that game. There’s an Ohio quarterback who’s trying to knock off a Michigan quarterback off the throne to be in the top quarterback in the country. What do you think?

Andrew (49:21.23)

Man, that’d be, I really wish Bryce Underwood, I really wish he liked Michigan. I really wish he went to Michigan. Do you know the narratives that I would be able to spin for recruiting stories with Underwood versus St. Clair?

Stephen Means (49:32.4)

It would, it would, it would, because it would add to what’s already happening on the field. And now all of this is colliding in one year where like the best, the top two quarterbacks in the country are from Ohio state and Michigan in a pivotal year of the rivalry. And they’re also going to Ohio state, Michigan. Well, at least one of the sides won and they kept their kid home. The other one sending their kid to LSU.

Andrew (49:37.326)

Exactly.

Andrew (49:55.726)

Yeah, I think it’s gonna be, man, I think it’s gonna be a real push because the only thing that I keep coming back to though, is it like, if Tavian, like let’s say Tavian Tinclair isn’t the number one player in the country at the end of this. Like what would Tavian have to prove at Bell Fountain in his senior year that he is, right? Like win a state championship? I don’t know, I don’t know, this is his moment.

Stephen Means (50:18.768)

Yeah, like this is like the stage is never gonna be bigger than this simply because of where he goes to high school and that whether it’s fair or not, that’s just the sense of what it is.

Andrew (50:29.518)

Yeah, so it’s like, this might be it. Like I’m not trying to be, look, Tabian Ticler is a great quarterback. He’s a great quarterback prospect. Ohio State is very comfortable with him. They really, really like him. I think I’m not going to feel any less about him if he’s the number one quarterback in the country or the number three quarterback in the country. I still think he’s a great quarterback. But like this might, so I’m not trying to make this sound fatalistic and I’m not trying to make this sound like dun dun dun, but like this might be it.

Stephen Means (50:47.056)

Sure.

Andrew (50:58.958)

Like this might be the last kind of shot that if if if Tabian wants to be the number one overall player in the country, this might be it. This might be the shot because you are on a national stage. Whereas you go back to Ohio, that national stage is gone. You’re in your senior year. All of those camps are over. You know, the guys are preparing for their senior year. There’s nothing really that’s going to boost you up those rankings. He’s done growing unless he’s going to be six foot six and 250 pounds. Like I mean, maybe, but like.

He’s kind of filled out, like everything looks done. And with him, it feels like you’re right. I do agree with your notion that Vid has been building to something, right? The last summer, he kind of popped up on the radar and then all of a sudden he committed and it was like, okay, let’s see where this goes. He had a great junior year and then he blossomed physically and he just looks like truly one of the nation’s elite quarterbacks. And now you’re at this rise where you’re culminating in the summer.

So I think this could, but I do think this might be it. I think this might be the last shot.

Stephen Means (52:03.664)

And when we’re saying last shot, it’s just, this is gonna start all over again in January when he gets to Columbus. And he’s gonna be building up that momentum again to try to go win the starting job. But as a high school recruit, it’s just he doesn’t, he goes to his local high school. And he’s a hero in that town, most likely. I think he’s the first Division I athlete in quite some time there. And it’s admirable what he’s doing, and I respect it a lot. The stage is probably never going to be brighter for him.

from a high school recruiting standpoint, simply because of where it is, what it is, and what he could potentially do. And as you kind of mentioned there, Andrew, there’s no downside here. No one is going to walk out of this thinking, maybe Tavon is not one of the best quarterbacks in the country. Nobody, nobody’s gonna do that. This is all positive. This is either, hey, Tavon, are you the number one player in the country? Are you the number three quarterback in the country? Right? It’s not.

He’s a five star. Are you the five star? Are you just another five star? Which is still an elite conversation. Great combo. Elite 11 starts tomorrow and runs through June 20th out in Los Angeles. We’ll be texting stuff along the way as things happen. I think the pro day competition is typically the first day and then they do some seven on seven stuff throughout the week. It’s a lot more condensed than it used to be. It used to be a big thing with the opening and all this stuff. They’ve calmed down.

a lot of that stuff, but it’s still interesting to watch. Ohio State has had 11 quarterbacks who eventually ended up on its roster going on to be inducted in the elite 11 of their recruiting class. That dates back to Justin’s WIC and Troy Smith as the first two in 2002. And the most recent ones, Aaron Nolan and Julian Sand in the 2024 recruiting class. Let’s see if Taven St. Clair, the number 14 quarterback, is the number three.

Excuse me, number 14 player number three quarterback can eventually join that group. This was your Monday pod. Ohio State, I think it’s wrapped up. We’re reporting this a couple of weeks early, so I might come back and change that. But Ohio State has wrapped up its list of no, they got. Yeah, they have one more elite recruiting camp left, and that’s going on on Tuesday as well.

Stephen Means (54:10.992)

They’ve got a couple more weeks of official visitors. So we’ll continue to preview those conversations as well. And there’s a big event coming up with Ohio State that’s an NIL event where they’re going to be allowing it to be opened up to the public to watch the team work out as they work with Mick and continue to press on forward and prepare for the 2024 regular season. So get the text 614 -350 -3315, two weeks free trial, 399 after that. For Andrew Gillis, I’m Stephen Means, and that was Buckeye Talk.

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